shiny chrome on the outside

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Icky on the inside ?

I noticed chrome is available for Debian/GNU Linux among others.. They have also been putting up ads around town that are impossible to miss. Some people think this is good, probably because Google is already their start page for many people, some even type the URL of the page they want to see on Google !

Some have told me to stop seeing evil everywhere and just bend over and. ... well, while I do think that the Google search engine is unquestionably good I don't think that I want to see one entity have so much control over the Internet, because the Internet belongs to everyone.. .well, things are changing.

I went through the Google Chrome Terms of Service and tried to understand a few things...

1.4 The Universal Terms, together with the Additional Terms, form a legally binding agreement between you and Google in relation to your use of the Services. It is important that you take the time to read them carefully. Collectively, this legal agreement is referred to below as the “Terms”.

Okay, I will do this. I've been signing to much crap without reading it in my life, I really like GPL software just for the fact that I don't have to reread it all over again each time I install a program.

4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.

I think this is somewhat "normal", however this a word out to those who think it's outrageous to spend 5 dollars a month for your own domain and web space : It's maybe time you found a local "organic/fair trade/green/wtf" email provider, one you can even get your own domain name with and all, it's worth the money, you'd have no ads (unless it's a ripoff) and some kind of guarantees. This would also be a step to insuring a stronger independence of the internet...

6.1 For information about Google’s data protection practices, please read Google’s privacy policy at http://www.google.com/privacy.html. This policy explains how Google treats your personal information, and protects your privacy, when you use the Services.

I'm not going there in this post, however it's got some tasty pickles..

7.3 Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service. For some of the Services, Google may provide tools to filter out explicit sexual content. These tools include the SafeSearch preference settings (see http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe). In addition, there are commercially available services and software to limit access to material that you may find objectionable.

This is the one that scared me the most, basically, the Internet is filtered out by Google's search engine results (only because "everybody" depends on it). Now that so many people are going to get the Google browser the Internet will slowly be shaped (I almost wrote sheeped) into the Googlenet. Of course in this statement Google only reserves the right to do it, but that is a guarantee that they have the intention of doing so... (don't be fooled by the "sexual content" thing being in the same article).

18.2 You understand and agree that if you use the Services after the date on which the Universal Terms or Additional Terms have changed, Google will treat your use as acceptance of the updated Universal Terms or Additional Terms.

P.S. If you accept the terms today, hahaha lol, because you'll have to manually check every time you use the service to see if their have been updates. You can probably sign up to a newsletter somewhere, no indication of that though, so this abusive article (used by so many other companies) should be abolished ASAP.. I'm not even sure this is really legal..

20.2 From time to time, Google Chrome may check with remote servers (hosted by Google or by third parties) for available updates to extensions, including but not limited to bug fixes or enhanced functionality. You agree that such updates will be automatically requested, downloaded, and installed without further notice to you.

Imagine your computer's operating system updater not asking you if you want to update, not providing you a way to NOT check automatically... . Even when I used to use Windows it wasn't like that (not sure how it is today).

20.3 From time to time, Google may discover an extension that violates Google developer terms or other legal agreements, laws, regulations or policies. Google Chrome will periodically download a list of such extensions from Google’s servers. You agree that Google may remotely disable or remove any such extension from user systems in its sole discretion.

This turns your browser into an Iphone, meaning you can't even install an extension that they don't want.. .enough said here.

So, do you still want to install this software ?

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kiki

YES! I definitely want to install this great software along with their upcoming Linux distribution, Google Chrome OS, because the logo reminds me so much of Windows and I was missing it somehow.

Nah.. just kidding.

The privacy policy is also interesting, apparently every copy of the software has a unique identification number, too. But, lemme ask'ya: how come you see evil all over?
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TDK laptop

7.3 i beleave this has to do with china
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yoni

4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.

This is nothing, they HAVE to write this in the agreement otherwise people who abuse the shit out of their services (like spammers on gmail) can make google have to take real legal actions everytime they make a new account. Without this clause they would have to have their lowers gather evidence, present it to a court of law, and prove to a jury every single time a spammer made an account with gmail. This is of course, if the spammer in question contests (fights) google's right to close the account.

In short, this is something even users benefit from.

6.1 For information about Google’s data protection practices, please read Google’s privacy policy at http://www.google.com/privacy.html. This policy explains how Google treats your personal information, and protects your privacy, when you use the Services.

I haven't read that entire privacy thing, or even seen what it looks like recently. But I have read articles debating google's privacy policy, and basically here's what it boils down to:

1) We'll give up all your info if a court subpoenas (orders) us to
2) Our robots scan your data so we can put more relevant text ads

Otherwise it's pretty strict, no one gets to read shit policy. Gmail enabled SSL by default for everyone recently, they're pretty good about things like privacy.

7.3 Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service. For some of the Services, Google may provide tools to filter out explicit sexual content. These tools include the SafeSearch preference settings (see http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe). In addition, there are commercially available services and software to limit access to material that you may find objectionable.

Again, this isn't them making sure they can filter out bad articles about themselves or anything like that. One of the (many) problems google has is website owners making pages filled with nothing but adverts and links to other websites...but no original content. They manipulate the search engine in order to get revenue from money without actually making anything useful.

Without this clause in the agreement, they could be taken to court and be forced to keep crappy websites like that online. That would degrade the search engine so badly, because it would quickly be filled by people looking to make money. This is a right they exercise on a daily basis, and it's also the reason why we love google so much...because for the most part, our searches turn up relevant information.

If you need an example of a website that could use some of this, check out craigslist. You have to wade through dozens of pages filled with thousands of keywords before getting any real posts, it's disgusting...

20.2 From time to time, Google Chrome may check with remote servers (hosted by Google or by third parties) for available updates to extensions, including but not limited to bug fixes or enhanced functionality. You agree that such updates will be automatically requested, downloaded, and installed without further notice to you.

Now this part I have no experience with, nor have I heard of any updates being forced on people but I'm going to make a guess at why they have this (in their defense of course!).

You should know mozilla once disabled an extension remotely on all firefox browsers! I'll find the article later, but they had a damned good reason to. The extension was microsoft .net something...I remember being pissed when it got installed, mostly because you couldn't remove it the normal way. Anyways, some vulnerability was found with the extension (duh, it's ms) and so they disabled it on all machines.

I think you see where I'm going with this...I don't think google is about to start updating your extensions just for the hell of it...if you want to assume the kind of behavior they're going to have, I would put them more in line with mozilla...you do know something like 90% of their money comes from google, right?

Anyways, this is my defense for google. They've been really good so far, and they would be violating so many laws if they started any funny business. Also, the most reassuring part of all this is, if you're paranoid, there's an alternative to almost everything google makes, including mail, browser, and search engine (the essentials).

So what do you think?
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manu

From http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

1.1 Your use of Google’s products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the “Services” in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement)

hence, chrome is a service....

Firefox is no longer free software (semi troll), I have switched to IceCat, although I'm still having some issues with that too.. . I do however not use any of googles services except for the search engine and maps (although that also).

BTW, craigslist is one of the best sites ever. : ]
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manu

BTW, If 7.3 really has to do with just China it should be removed right about now.. (which of course it won't because it has nothing to do with that)... .
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